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From: Andreas Berger <bergeand_at_...220...>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:28:17 +0100

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:28:17 +0100

Ok, thank you very much, now I understand why it does not work. I've now tried to place a domain on the variables and it works of course. But I think the better way in my position is to filter out such inconsistent constraints before giving them to eclipse, because i can not estimate the domain size. Andreas Kish Shen schrieb: > Andreas Berger wrote: > >> 1. >> The following code shows the behaviour of ic, when giving it two >> mutual exclusive Constraints at the ECLiPSe commandline. In this case >> I just wan't to know if the given CSP is solveable. (ic library is >> loaded). >> >> /[eclipse 2]: A #< B, A #> B. >> >> A = A{-1.0Inf .. 1.0Inf} >> B = B{-1.0Inf .. 1.0Inf} >> >> >> Delayed goals: >> B{-1.0Inf .. 1.0Inf} - A{-1.0Inf .. 1.0Inf} #> 0 >> -(B{-1.0Inf .. 1.0Inf}) + A{-1.0Inf .. 1.0Inf} #> 0 >> Yes (0.00s cpu) >> / >> Why does the solver say it's possible to solve something like this? >> > > ECLiPSe is saying that there may be a solution, subject to the > constraints being true. > > Your question however touches on some basic issues with constraint > programming. I can only give very brief answers here, you should read > books on constraint programming to get a more detailed view. > > The specific example here is a well known illustration of a > weakness of local propagation based solvers -- reasoning is done for > each constraint, and there is no "global" reasoning that looks at all > the constraints at the same time, i.e. the solver does not have any > mechanism to see immediately that these two constraints are inconsistent. > > For your specific case here, if you do not place any domain on your > variables, then no reasoning can be done at all for either constraints. > >> At the second step when I try to get a specific solution for the >> problem with locate, ECLiPSe gets in an infinite loop and does not >> return anymore. >> >> /[eclipse 3]: A #< B, A #> B, locate([A,B],0.1)./ >> >> >> Why? How can i avoid this? >> > > Normally, if you are working with floats, you should use the real > variants of the constraints ($</2, $>/2). Also if you want to use > the search predicates (like locate/2), your variables should be given > a finite interval (the smaller the better). > > More generally, for local propagation solvers, the detection of > inconsistency for these constraints will be slow, because each time > the constraint is invoked, it is only able to trim the interval by a > little (1 if you are using finite domain), and this trimming continues > until you have reduced one of the variables to empty, when the > inconsistency is detected. > > For your specific example, there is probably no way to avoid this > problem, unless you know that you are likely to post such mutually > inconsistent constraints, in which case you can always check if you > have posted the "partner" constraint already when you post one of > these constraints. > > More generally, you can try to write one constraint that captures the > meaning of two or more simpler constraints. > > If your problem will really benefit with some more "global" reasoning > about all your constraints at the same time, you may want to look at > using other solving methods for your problem, for example, > Mathematical Programming based approaches. lib(eplex) lets you use MP > solvers with ECLiPSe, and the sort of inconsistency you have is > detected very easily. > > Cheers, > > KishReceived on Fri Feb 12 2010 - 13:29:10 CET

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